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Informal Learning, Collaboration & Social Software
Live Notes -- Friday, May 16, 2003
Host and scribe: Alex Gault
Today's session is being webcast at eLearning Forum web conference.
Timetable (all times PDT)
9:00am Program begins
12:00 noon Lunch
1:00pm Adjourn
Kevin Wheeler will be moderating today's session, which he will kick off with introductions, opening remarks, and then an introduction to today's keynote speakers.
Speakers:
Jean Fitzpatrick, Google
Jason Shellen, Google
Ross Mayfield, CEO of SocialText and founder of the Social Software Alliance
Sandeep Sood, eLearning board member
Jay Cross, eLearning board member
George Seimens, instructor from Red River College
9:16am
Notes from small group brainstorming, addressing the question "What is informal learning?"
- Requires goals and objectives
- Self-initiated
- Self-directed
- Often an unintended consequence of a formal learning process
- When the learner takes control
- Learning outside of a formal working context
- Often occurs within a community of practice -- whereby objectives are determined consensually by members of the community
- Learning by doing
- Driven by context; often social
- Industry surveys suggest that most learning is informal. Roughly 80% of learning is informal.
Recent eLearning Forum survey
- 90% of their learning is informal.
- Most people use informal learning tools and methods rather than corporate sponsored formal learning solutions.
- Collaboration solutions are the most common solutions offered by corporations to support informal learning.
- 87% of respondents say that informal learning has a tangible impact on their jobs, and 13% indicate that formal learning does.
Comments from Jenn Fitzpatrick of Google -- Google is a tool for informal learning
- Google's mission: make information universally accessible and usable for everyone.
- Experience matters. Google is uncluttered, fast and easy -- and structured to support task-oriented users.
- Responsive to the needs of "learning on demand."
9:50am
Comments of Jason Shellen of Google -- Blogging and informal learning
- Jason was one of the original people at Pyra, provider of Blogger, and recently purchased by Google.
- September 12 was the record day for new bloggers.
- Blogging has become a new and rapid means of reporting news live.
- Workers at Pyra, and now the blogging development team at Google, use blogging as a collaboration and workflow management solution.
- Many teachers and professors now use blogs to track classroom instruction, activities and resources.
- Encourages informal collaboration and learning in the workplace.
- Google is working on using it's proprietary search technology to enhance the functionality of blogger.
Questions and comments from the audience
Some online communities prefer not to have the comments of members publicly searchable (ex. Live Journal).
How does one find blogs that are relevant to one's interests and needs?
- Blogging syndication feed format which allows for comments to be tracked.
10:25am
Comments from Ross Mayfield of SocialText
What is Social Software?
- Supports group interaction
- Designed to adapt to its environment or social context
- Let users determine the direction and use of software. Software needs to be light and flexible for users to modify it's functionality.
- Because enterprise software is rarely flexible enough to allow for interaction between workers, most workflow communication takes place using email. Social software is intended to provide informal, flexible environments from ongoing communication between workers. Online communication whereby workers are true participants.
Social capital is the basis of intellectual capital. Social software provides the means to leverage social capital to in turn harness intellectual capital.
Weblogs in organizations
- Easy to publish -- one step, no formatting, no coding
- Just type and link.
- Analogous to a whiteboard, for people who aren't in the same place at the same time.
Applications
- Collective reasoning of teams.
- Staff-project meetings.
- Project planning.
Wikis
- Wikipedia -- online encyclopedia produced in real time, collaboratively by users.
- Whereas blogs provide a voice for individuals, wikis provide a voice for communities.
- A wiki page represents the best current understanding of a issue, project or term by a community.
Social Networks
- Challenge: provide individuals with the right tools and resources so that they can access and communicate with the appropriate community/network/group.
10:45am
Blogs, Communities of Practice, & Open Education -- George Seimens, instructor at Red River College
- Dialogue, informal, tools of knowledge learning expression/creation
- RSS feeds provide a framework for bloggers to share learning objects
- Blogs support the self-organization of communities of practice
- Blogs support communication and learning that is organized around networks rather than siloes.
11:15am
Chat notes from the remote members
05/16/2003 08:13:45 AM from Rick Huebsch to Host(privately): Nick - just switched over to using my laptop
05/16/2003 08:15:34 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): I hear a couple things
05/16/2003 08:16:06 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): Breaking up and gone
05/16/2003 08:16:32 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): gottcha
05/16/2003 08:16:41 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: How do we turn off the VoIP if we are already on the phone?
05/16/2003 08:20:33 AM from Nick Goddard to All Participants: If you're on phone, and don't wish to hear the VoIP, go to "tools" "internet phone" "stop conference"
05/16/2003 08:21:32 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: Hi, is it possible tp follow the whole session as VoIP only?
05/16/2003 08:21:40 AM from Nick Goddard to All Participants: Yes
05/16/2003 08:22:12 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: Brilliant!
05/16/2003 08:25:14 AM from Richard Clark(privately): Hi Rick. I've just finished updating the website with all the presentations (and your letter to the members w/ picture); I'm on my way to mountain view now. ETA 0915
05/16/2003 08:28:57 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: yup - thanks man!
05/16/2003 08:29:08 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: are you still there?
05/16/2003 08:30:18 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: What are the chances this meeting will get underway soon ?
05/16/2003 08:33:00 AM from Nick Goddard to All Participants: everyone is muted
05/16/2003 08:33:16 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The meeting will start at 9:00
05/16/2003 08:33:48 AM from Richard Clark to All Participants: (webmaster note) I just updated the site w/ almost all of the presentations and am on my way to the meeting site now.
05/16/2003 08:34:01 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Are you all able to hear over the tele?
05/16/2003 08:34:43 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Is that the Matrix?
05/16/2003 08:35:58 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: this is Sandeep - I will be using the Matrix as myh presentation theme
05/16/2003 08:43:33 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: MIght have been a colleague of mine. What kind of impressions you got from the conference?
05/16/2003 08:46:41 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: Is this coming from Microsoft?
05/16/2003 08:46:41 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: Is this coming from Microsoft?
05/16/2003 08:46:45 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, the meeting will start at 9:00 pdt
05/16/2003 08:46:50 AM from Nick Goddard to Host and Presenter(privately): If you go to "participant" in the tool bar, you can mute everyone
05/16/2003 08:46:58 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I will ask you to introduce yourself
05/16/2003 08:47:22 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Hey Rick - just sent you an email - ignore it...i got in
05/16/2003 08:47:27 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Name, affiliation, location, first time attendee?
05/16/2003 08:48:05 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: quick question - I'm to present - will my slides be done in this forum?
05/16/2003 08:51:20 AM to gsiemens(privately): sorry, what is your first name?
05/16/2003 08:51:37 AM to gsiemens(privately): did you send your slides to jay?
05/16/2003 08:51:43 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): George Siemens
05/16/2003 08:52:01 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): yes, slides were sent to Jay yesterday
05/16/2003 08:52:18 AM to gsiemens(privately): Hi George, I have your slides on my system and will load on your prompt
05/16/2003 08:52:36 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): ok...and do I then have control to advance them?
05/16/2003 08:53:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I just transferred presenter to you for your slides, I will load them now
05/16/2003 08:54:58 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Name: George Siemens, affiliation: Red River College, location: Manitoba, first time in elearning forum
05/16/2003 08:55:13 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Try advancing the slides
05/16/2003 08:55:31 AM from Danny McCubbin to Host(privately): Rick - my apologies - I am going to have to leave the session - needed her at work - looking forward to the next one - cheers Danny
05/16/2003 08:55:39 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): Rick, if I advance slides, do all attendees see it?
05/16/2003 08:55:46 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sorry, when the meeting starts, I will ask you to introduce yourself over the te
05/16/2003 08:55:59 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: telephone
05/16/2003 08:56:29 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks,
05/16/2003 08:56:32 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: Name: Judy Brown, Affiliation: University of Wisconsin System Academic ADL Co-Lab
05/16/2003 08:56:40 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: There is a web cam available
05/16/2003 08:56:49 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: at www.jaycross.com/webcam
05/16/2003 08:56:53 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): And if were not on the phone, would you do it?
05/16/2003 08:57:16 AM to James Kigin(privately): yes
05/16/2003 08:58:49 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, we will be starting in 5 minutes
05/16/2003 08:59:00 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: People may be having trouble finding the meeting room
05/16/2003 08:59:10 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: on this huge Microsoft campus
05/16/2003 08:59:22 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): Rick, I don't have presenter status any more...will you just transfer once I'm scheduled to present?
05/16/2003 08:59:56 AM to gsiemens(privately): yes, sorry I had to reclaim to set up
05/16/2003 09:00:04 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: James Kigin, Independent Consultant, Paris France, last forum was in person in August at the SRI
05/16/2003 09:02:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, if you are in via VOIP, write your intro and I will say it for you
05/16/2003 09:02:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, we will start in 2 minutes
05/16/2003 09:02:59 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: Hi, I'm Kaisa Nirkkonen from Nokia, located in Helsinki, Finland. Have been participating in eLearning Forum a couple of times remotely.
05/16/2003 09:03:02 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, you will be asked to introduce yourself first
05/16/2003 09:03:35 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Kaisa, forgive me in advance if I mispronounce your name.
05/16/2003 09:03:45 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: No sweat;-)
05/16/2003 09:04:09 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: With a name like mine, Huebsch, I understand the need for apologies
05/16/2003 09:04:22 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Starting in 1 minute
05/16/2003 09:04:27 AM from Bob Joyce to All Participants: I'm Bob Joyce at the University of Texas School of Public Health in Houston.
05/16/2003 09:05:00 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: We are starting
05/16/2003 09:05:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I will go down the list from top to bottom to cue you to introduce yourself
05/16/2003 09:06:21 AM from Brenda Sugrue to All Participants: I need to get back on phone
05/16/2003 09:06:34 AM from David McCaleb to All Participants: David McCaleb, Cisco, first time attendee
05/16/2003 09:06:35 AM from Brenda Sugrue to All Participants: i'm not on phone
05/16/2003 09:06:56 AM from Shawna Darling to All Participants: I'm on the call
05/16/2003 09:07:08 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): how do you mute the phone?
05/16/2003 09:07:11 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): Check the chat for people without phones
05/16/2003 09:07:59 AM from Brenda Sugrue to All Participants: this is Brenda again.. i'm doing VOIP also
05/16/2003 09:08:00 AM from Ben Watson to Host(privately): is the Internet phone option working? I cannot seem to be able to hear anytihng.
05/16/2003 09:08:07 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: Been both in person and remotely
05/16/2003 09:09:17 AM from Brenda Sugrue to All Participants: I'm president of a company called eLearnia that does e-learning consulting and authoring tools for online case-based learning and assessment
05/16/2003 09:11:35 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): Rick, your sound is good, but not the others
05/16/2003 09:11:36 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I just turned up the volume on VOIP. Did that help?
05/16/2003 09:11:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Please mute your phones
05/16/2003 09:12:08 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: no unfortunately I can't hear anyone (or barely)
05/16/2003 09:12:18 AM from Bob Joyce to All Participants: The VoIP is cutting out quite a bit
05/16/2003 09:12:25 AM from Ben Watson to Host(privately): no change after you upped the volume. Is it working for others?
05/16/2003 09:12:28 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): microphone muted automatically
05/16/2003 09:12:35 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): is there a #number sequence to mute the phone?
05/16/2003 09:12:37 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: I am on the conference line via phone and the sound is very low as well
05/16/2003 09:12:51 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: Cannot hear anything on VOIP.
05/16/2003 09:13:06 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The mike is being passed around the room, so the volume may vary
05/16/2003 09:13:17 AM from Shawna Darling to Host(privately): If you could get peope on the phone to mute, it might help us hear better... there's a lot of background noise
05/16/2003 09:13:25 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I moved the Polycom toward the introducers
05/16/2003 09:13:33 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: same here, no sound on VOIP (Internet Phone option)
05/16/2003 09:13:41 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES
05/16/2003 09:14:13 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: You mean microphones, right
05/16/2003 09:14:23 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Telephones?
05/16/2003 09:14:26 AM from Shawna Darling to All Participants: both
05/16/2003 09:14:30 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: YES, TOO
05/16/2003 09:14:32 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Rick - could you please detail how to mute phones that don't have a mute button (i.e. number sequence)
05/16/2003 09:15:05 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks, I don't have an external microphone that I can move around to improve internet volume
05/16/2003 09:15:18 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: How many people are in the room and will be introducing themselves?
05/16/2003 09:15:29 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: be patient during intros it should improve when presenters present
05/16/2003 09:15:37 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: They will be standing next to my computer
05/16/2003 09:15:56 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: testing my chat....
05/16/2003 09:16:08 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Works
05/16/2003 09:16:19 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: your chat meows Zulfi
05/16/2003 09:16:32 AM from Shawna Darling to Host(privately): still lots of background noise on the phone
05/16/2003 09:16:36 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Still hearing background noise
05/16/2003 09:17:04 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Please mute your phone or computer
05/16/2003 09:17:11 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: thanks..can you pls ask the remote participant to mute their phones if possible?..I can hear lots of multiple sounds
05/16/2003 09:17:28 AM from Ben Watson to Host(privately): Got the Internet Phone (VOIP) to work. Exited the Internet phone conference, ran the WebEx audio setup wizard and re-entered.
05/16/2003 09:17:37 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I will facilitate chat: What is informal learning?
05/16/2003 09:17:50 AM from Ben Watson to Host(privately): Rick, you should be able to mute everyone's 'phones on your end.
05/16/2003 09:17:52 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Let's take turns, starting at the top of the list
05/16/2003 09:18:14 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: just in time..when you need it.
05/16/2003 09:18:30 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: VOIP is cutting in and out.
05/16/2003 09:18:32 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Good start, Zulfi
05/16/2003 09:18:52 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: Yes, VOIP is awful
05/16/2003 09:18:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Anyone else contribute
05/16/2003 09:18:54 AM from David McCaleb to All Participants: You can skip me VOIP is making it very hard to hear
05/16/2003 09:18:59 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: I just heard my name, however, I am not sure what is was used in context. sorry (the voice is cutting in & out)
05/16/2003 09:19:00 AM from Bob Joyce to All Participants: I like the "just in time" def--may also be when you least expect it
05/16/2003 09:19:05 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Any learning that's NOT in a formal setting.
05/16/2003 09:19:11 AM from Nick Goddard to Host and Presenter(privately): You can mute everyone yourself, go to "particpant"
05/16/2003 09:19:20 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Let's focus on communicating by chat
05/16/2003 09:19:29 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Chat is informal learning, right?
05/16/2003 09:19:50 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: I suppose there's a lot of informal learning going on here, when everybody is trying to mute their phones with the advice given here....
05/16/2003 09:19:50 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: I'd like to hear the presentation. Can anything be done to improve the VOIP?
05/16/2003 09:19:52 AM from Bob Joyce to All Participants: Maybe--but sometimes chat is just chat!
05/16/2003 09:20:34 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: It is hard to measure formal learning - how do we even start in informal learning?
05/16/2003 09:20:35 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: informal learning to me is anytime that you are seeking answers to problems that you are trying to solve at a particular point in time
05/16/2003 09:20:50 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: So it may be just in time
05/16/2003 09:20:56 AM from Marti Atkinson to Host(privately): Rick - since you turned off the remote phone, the sound quality has improved.
05/16/2003 09:21:00 AM from Nick Goddard to Host and Presenter(privately): I think the VoIP is detracting from your session. I think you should encourage people to use the dial in at 408 678 2429 Meeting Number 692258187
05/16/2003 09:21:01 AM from Brenda Sugrue to All Participants: learning in non-formal learning/forman situations... incidental learning... learning on the job withut formal structure... sharing knowledge informally as necessary
05/16/2003 09:21:08 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: in another context...it may be learning that is the by product of other activities
05/16/2003 09:21:26 AM from David McCaleb to All Participants: someone who was just talking about VOIP can you turn off your computer mic?
05/16/2003 09:22:03 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: informal learning is more pull than push..you try to seek answers based on your own initiative
05/16/2003 09:22:13 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Great, so informal learning can't easily be codified or measured.
05/16/2003 09:22:26 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: I have seen that the most popular forms of informal learning can range from searching books on line, collaborating with your peers/mentors, searching the web, etc.
05/16/2003 09:22:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: But it happens anytime, anywhere, just in time
05/16/2003 09:22:59 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Ok, we are back in general session with Kevin
05/16/2003 09:23:04 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Not always just in time --- sometimes I find better solutions after another one has been put in effect.
05/16/2003 09:23:17 AM from Nick Goddard to Host and Presenter(privately): You're going to need to talk closer to a phone and mike
05/16/2003 09:23:49 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Or we learn something completely out of context of what were doing
05/16/2003 09:23:52 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The mike is being passed
05/16/2003 09:24:30 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: People are sharing their ideas about what informal learning is
05/16/2003 09:24:48 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Informal learning sometimes can't be distinguished from formal learning
05/16/2003 09:24:59 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Informal learning starts with a goal
05/16/2003 09:25:00 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: Informal learning is when the learner takes control (self-directed), outside of a structured formal environment. The WebEx session is a formal session because it is structured (has an agenda etc) and the leaerns is not in control, i.e. we go at the presenter's pace.
05/16/2003 09:25:27 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: leaerns = learner
05/16/2003 09:25:33 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - Informal learning is self-initiated
05/16/2003 09:25:47 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - informal learning is goal directed
05/16/2003 09:26:15 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Not sure if the learner really needs to self-initiate... only to be open to receiving new information.
05/16/2003 09:26:58 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: "Keegan"
05/16/2003 09:27:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Thanks James, sorry
05/16/2003 09:28:02 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: No problem
05/16/2003 09:28:22 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - Informal and formal is often indistiguishable
05/16/2003 09:28:33 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: Like Rick said, a formal session can have an informal component. Look at this chat, because right now there is no formal structure in place for it (i.e. we are informally chatting until the session begins, then the chat has a formal structured purpose.
05/16/2003 09:29:40 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - If you look at online systems created by a developer, even though its on demand, it is actually informal learning
05/16/2003 09:30:17 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - The individual takes the initiatived in informal learning
05/16/2003 09:30:25 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: initiative
05/16/2003 09:30:50 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - informal learning is not based on a continuum
05/16/2003 09:31:29 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - Informal learning equals self-directed learning - sets the context and determines the measure of success
05/16/2003 09:32:06 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker - Informal learning vs casual learning?
05/16/2003 09:32:23 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Panelist - Informal learning is learning by doing
05/16/2003 09:32:46 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Panelist - Informal learning happens within a social context
05/16/2003 09:33:44 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: So the question is what is the distinction between informal and formal learning. What characterizes one versus the other?
05/16/2003 09:33:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: There is no agrement on this, per Kevin
05/16/2003 09:34:23 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Someone acknowledge that you can hear ok via the telephone line
05/16/2003 09:34:59 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: VOIP keeps cutting in and out, cannot hear anything intelligible.
05/16/2003 09:35:02 AM from Yatman Lai to All Participants: It is very choppy
05/16/2003 09:35:06 AM from santosh to All Participants: Not too clear
05/16/2003 09:35:11 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: I can hear ok now via the phone line. although the volume is still low
05/16/2003 09:35:21 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: is it possible to move the mike closer to the speaker?
05/16/2003 09:35:25 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: OK, I'm trying to get the speaker to stand still
05/16/2003 09:35:42 AM from Shawna Darling to All Participants: better!
05/16/2003 09:35:56 AM from santosh to All Participants: yup, suddenly
05/16/2003 09:35:58 AM from Marti Atkinson to Host(privately): Sound over the phone is hard to hear. Can you turn off all the sound from the remote phones? That was better !
05/16/2003 09:36:09 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: much better when Jay was speaking!
05/16/2003 09:37:04 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: An example of blended learning (formal + informal): typically you *acquire* knowledge through a structured environment (like a course, online or face-to-face) and you *maintain* it informally (*you* keep yourself up to date using a variety of methods and sources; books, Google, etc).
05/16/2003 09:37:29 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: What I meant by "out of context" is that some forms of Informal learning, like social interactions, are often spontaneous and don't have a set of rules, or a determined sequence to follow. They are driven by instinct.
05/16/2003 09:38:23 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: These slides complement what Richard is saying
05/16/2003 09:39:09 AM from James Kigin to Host and Presenter(privately): But we can't hear Richard over VoIP
05/16/2003 09:39:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Ok, I will email these slides to you after the meeting
05/16/2003 09:40:27 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I can move the Polycom close to the speaker, but I can't move my computer
05/16/2003 09:41:07 AM from Shawna Darling to All Participants: the slides are all at your site, I think: http://www.elearningforum.com/meetings/2003/may/index.html
05/16/2003 09:41:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Speaker order, Jen, Jason, George, Sandeep, and Jay
05/16/2003 09:41:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jen is first
05/16/2003 09:41:40 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: You can see her slides now
05/16/2003 09:42:19 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks,
05/16/2003 09:42:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Just in case you've sent me email, I haven't been able to get on AOL from this site
05/16/2003 09:43:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: How Google gets used as an informal learning tool
05/16/2003 09:44:25 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The vision statement keeps Google focussed on the simple task of providing for informal learning
05/16/2003 09:44:30 AM from James Kigin to Host(privately): Your mike doesn't pick Jen up and cuts out.
05/16/2003 09:45:04 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: relevance, accessibility, ease-of-use
05/16/2003 09:45:19 AM from James Kigin to Host(privately): Do you think you can turn your input up?
05/16/2003 09:45:24 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sorry, James she is standing in front of my computer
05/16/2003 09:45:30 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Its up full blast
05/16/2003 09:46:15 AM from Judy Brown to All Participants: Sorry, but this is just not working remotely so I'll drop out. I am surprised that Microsoft if using WebEx when they just purchased Placeware???
05/16/2003 09:46:32 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Agreed.
05/16/2003 09:46:33 AM from Bob Joyce to All Participants: Thanks, Rick, I think this could be valuable, but I'm getting such spotty sound, I'm checking out.
05/16/2003 09:46:43 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: ok
05/16/2003 09:47:03 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Oh well, is the session recorded correctly for a later date viewing?
05/16/2003 09:47:38 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Folks on VOIP, this session will be uploaded to the eLearning Forum site, as ususal as soon after the meeting as possible
05/16/2003 09:48:12 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Or Rick, do you have a phone that you could put next to your microphone?
05/16/2003 09:48:43 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: We will be really remote then....:-)
05/16/2003 09:49:16 AM from Kaisa Nirkkonen to All Participants: Sorry, checking out as well. Audio quality is not sufficient to make any sense either on phone or on VOIP. Thanks everyone, and especially to James for chat.
05/16/2003 09:50:15 AM from James Kigin to All Participants: Best to all, too. Off for someother forms of informal learning...
05/16/2003 09:50:23 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: is the eLearning forum web cam working? http://www.jaycross.com/webcam/ - it doesn't seem to be pointed towards anything
05/16/2003 09:50:35 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Thanks for participating. This will get better.
05/16/2003 09:50:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I will tap Jay to move the camera
05/16/2003 09:52:02 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: According to Jay, the camera is not plugged in
05/16/2003 09:53:07 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The facility here is quite nice, high tech as you might expect
05/16/2003 09:53:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - The meeting is about informal learning and is proceeding informally
05/16/2003 09:53:36 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: off schedule
05/16/2003 09:53:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - have to be flexible with informal learning
05/16/2003 09:54:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - won't be doing breakouts, as per agenda
05/16/2003 09:55:24 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - How can what we learning about informal learning be applied to ourselves?
05/16/2003 09:56:17 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - Question Authority starts informal learning
05/16/2003 09:56:50 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason and Jen will talk informally - They don't have slides
05/16/2003 09:57:32 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: I just moved the polycom closer to the speakers
05/16/2003 09:57:56 AM from Marti Atkinson to Host(privately): That helps.
05/16/2003 09:57:59 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: who's speaking now?
05/16/2003 09:58:14 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason is speaking now - from Blogger
05/16/2003 09:58:21 AM from Zulfi Kureshi to All Participants: thanks
05/16/2003 09:58:43 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Google bought Blogger, so Jen will team with Jason
05/16/2003 09:58:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: to discuss thoughts about blogging
05/16/2003 09:59:47 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: The phenomenon of blogging has not really been promoted
05/16/2003 10:00:14 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason hopes that Google will launch interest in blogging
05/16/2003 10:01:22 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - There is a personal nature to blogs
05/16/2003 10:02:36 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - Business management blogs have been called clogs
05/16/2003 10:02:59 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: What would the advantage be of using blogs for project management vs. a threaded discussion?
05/16/2003 10:03:05 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - go to http://www.shelen.com
05/16/2003 10:03:06 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: Who is the current speaker?
05/16/2003 10:03:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - I will ask when he takes questions
05/16/2003 10:03:40 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason from Blogger
05/16/2003 10:04:10 AM from Jane Farrell to All Participants: Can you post the url you are viewing?
05/16/2003 10:04:35 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason suggested that you look at http://www.shelen.com
05/16/2003 10:04:55 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: sorry: http://www.shellen.com
05/16/2003 10:05:49 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason: consultants tend to use blogging more than others - people who share
05/16/2003 10:06:13 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - Respected authors use blogs
05/16/2003 10:06:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - Its all FREE
05/16/2003 10:06:34 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Microphone has been passed to Jen
05/16/2003 10:06:46 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jen represents Google, who purchased Blogger
05/16/2003 10:07:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jen - She has used blogging to log meeting notes
05/16/2003 10:08:31 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jen - Meeting notes can be searched when blogged
05/16/2003 10:08:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jen - Blogging facilitates cross collaboration
05/16/2003 10:09:09 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sandeep is asking a question
05/16/2003 10:09:41 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sandeep - How will Blogging improve with the wedding of Blogger and Google?
05/16/2003 10:10:03 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason - a Blogging search engine is in the works
05/16/2003 10:10:48 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Richard Clark is asking a question
05/16/2003 10:13:28 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: asking marti's question . . .
05/16/2003 10:14:47 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: More questions
05/16/2003 10:16:45 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason is speaking
05/16/2003 10:17:32 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay - Ross will speak next about social software
05/16/2003 10:17:46 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: You can see Ross' presentation now
05/16/2003 10:18:13 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Another question: What is a better alternative to communicate in an organized way
05/16/2003 10:18:21 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Threaded discussion has not worked
05/16/2003 10:18:37 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason is answering the question
05/16/2003 10:19:04 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti, did you get your question answered?
05/16/2003 10:19:20 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Not necessarily - if the threaded discussion is managed well, the infomation can be better organized.
05/16/2003 10:19:44 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Ross is now going to speak
05/16/2003 10:20:01 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - Is it searchable?
05/16/2003 10:20:34 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Yes - depending on the app you're using.
05/16/2003 10:20:37 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - Ross, who answered your question, is now speaking
05/16/2003 10:20:55 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - let's see if he answers the question a different way
05/16/2003 10:21:16 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - or we can ask a more specific question
05/16/2003 10:21:59 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Ross - When people need to get their work done
05/16/2003 10:22:08 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: They use their social network
05/16/2003 10:22:30 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Its business practice, instead of business process that gets work done
05/16/2003 10:23:16 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: From my experience, the trick is in being able to keep the comments organized into meaningful threads. Are Blogs organizable?
05/16/2003 10:23:45 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Marti - I will pose this when Ross asks for questions
05/16/2003 10:24:26 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: They can self organise...look at the auto search for related posts on my blog...http://www.guydickinson.com/knowledge/archives/000714.php
05/16/2003 10:24:41 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: hello everyone, btw!!
05/16/2003 10:24:49 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Hi Guy
05/16/2003 10:25:00 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: hi guy
05/16/2003 10:25:01 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Thanks, now we are interacting with the content
05/16/2003 10:25:07 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Keep chatting
05/16/2003 10:26:08 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: Is this being recorded? I missed first 2 hours :-( Hello George - long time no email...hope all is well over the water :-)
05/16/2003 10:26:49 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy: I don't know if its being recorded, but I will find out
05/16/2003 10:28:27 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: i'm interested in seeing how these guys have managed resistance to change - thats the biggest obstacle I've thad to overcome trying to implement these type of tools into organisations..
05/16/2003 10:29:05 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy - I will ask this question when Ross calls for questions
05/16/2003 10:29:13 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: cool. thanks
05/16/2003 10:29:29 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: A wiki is the simplest way to create a collaborative space
05/16/2003 10:30:01 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: What's a wiki?
05/16/2003 10:30:33 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: editable web page - see www.wikipedia.com
05/16/2003 10:30:38 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: anyone can change it
05/16/2003 10:30:39 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Richard Clark has created a wiki on the eLearning Forum site
05/16/2003 10:30:45 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: I would argue that wiki has a reasonable barrier to entry as there's a 'vocabulary' to use...
05/16/2003 10:31:11 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: although I do *really* like them...
05/16/2003 10:32:18 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Ross - everyone is arguing about definitions and vocabulary
05/16/2003 10:32:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: A wiki is a voice for groups
05/16/2003 10:33:10 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Create a shared understanding
05/16/2003 10:33:17 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: i like that example of ownership and wariness of overwriting keeping people coming back and reviewing changes!!!
05/16/2003 10:33:30 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: A wiki page represents the best understanding of a group
05/16/2003 10:33:44 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Hummm... evolutary group thought process ???
05/16/2003 10:33:52 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy - collaborative ownership?
05/16/2003 10:34:44 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: yes - maybe this answers one of my barrier points...there is a built in incentive to use (once the initial input is made)
05/16/2003 10:34:48 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Highly searchable
05/16/2003 10:35:17 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy, yes because everyone vies to have their points of view represented
05/16/2003 10:35:30 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: how long have wikis been around in one form or another?
05/16/2003 10:35:34 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: one use of a wiki: I set up an FAQ at our college as a means to share info http://connect.rrc.mb.ca:8080/KM/FAQ
05/16/2003 10:36:11 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Familiar with power logs?
05/16/2003 10:36:29 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: re. POV represented, what about signal to noise?
05/16/2003 10:36:43 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: can the 'quiet' people be well represented?
05/16/2003 10:36:53 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: ahah
05/16/2003 10:36:58 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: powerlaws??
05/16/2003 10:37:25 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: yes - guy - if you want to read a great book that explores powerlaws and social network analysis - see "Linked"
05/16/2003 10:37:29 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: http://shirky.com/writings/powerlaw_weblog.html
05/16/2003 10:37:36 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: So wikis might be a good way for a widely distributed research group to evolve their ideas and findings ?
05/16/2003 10:37:44 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: is what presenter is talking about
05/16/2003 10:38:03 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: or Chaos by James
05/16/2003 10:38:06 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Gleick
05/16/2003 10:39:56 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Please mute your phones
05/16/2003 10:40:48 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Unemployment is driving the development of social networking models
05/16/2003 10:41:17 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: and homeworking?? a real challenge for companies
05/16/2003 10:41:54 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy: good point teleworking
05/16/2003 10:42:24 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: home schooling is another area
05/16/2003 10:42:28 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: i'm hearing lots of background noise from someone on the phone
05/16/2003 10:42:35 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: george - linked. is that by Albert-Laszlo Barabasi??
05/16/2003 10:42:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Please mute your phones
05/16/2003 10:42:46 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Guy - yes
05/16/2003 10:43:13 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: thx
05/16/2003 10:43:37 AM from Ben Watson to Host(privately): Rick, can you mute everyone's phones please?
05/16/2003 10:43:39 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Guy, when Ross opens the floor, I will provide you a segue to make a few of your points and ask your question
05/16/2003 10:44:14 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: cheers
05/16/2003 10:44:55 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: As a reminder if you wish to mute/unmute your telephone go to Particpant --> Mute or Unmute. Your phone symbol will be red or green as a result.
05/16/2003 10:45:16 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: done, Ben, thanks
05/16/2003 10:45:28 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Taking a ten minute break to collect money.
05/16/2003 10:45:34 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: thanks Ben.
05/16/2003 10:45:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Email me $30.00 please ;-)
05/16/2003 10:45:53 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Muting the polycom
05/16/2003 10:46:02 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: I'm assuming they are taking a break?
05/16/2003 10:46:02 AM from evano to All Participants: thank you!
05/16/2003 10:46:14 AM from Andy Pederson to All Participants: the check is coming across the internet right now to you : )
05/16/2003 10:48:14 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: can i pay by paypal?? :-)
05/16/2003 10:49:07 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: quick test - can you guys see the matrix?
05/16/2003 10:49:12 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: yes
05/16/2003 10:49:17 AM from Marti Atkinson to All Participants: Gotta go --- thanks all. I found the wiki's intriguing.
05/16/2003 10:49:21 AM from sarath to All Participants: yes
05/16/2003 10:49:22 AM from evano to All Participants: yes
05/16/2003 10:49:27 AM from sarath to All Participants: yes
05/16/2003 10:49:36 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: excellent - thanks!
05/16/2003 10:49:38 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: how long left to the meeting rick??
05/16/2003 10:50:08 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): Rick, am I next?
05/16/2003 10:50:21 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): if so, can I have presenter status?
05/16/2003 10:52:56 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: im here
05/16/2003 10:53:03 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: guy, are you there?
05/16/2003 10:53:03 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: all phones are muted
05/16/2003 10:53:07 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: yes
05/16/2003 10:53:17 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Phone is muted!!!
05/16/2003 10:53:21 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: unmute participants!!
05/16/2003 10:53:25 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: can rick unmute me?>?>?
05/16/2003 10:53:34 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: i dont know....
05/16/2003 10:53:43 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Hey, I'd love to talk???
05/16/2003 10:53:48 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: yes, me too...
05/16/2003 10:53:51 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: :)
05/16/2003 10:54:06 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: im dialled in on phone not voice over IP
05/16/2003 10:55:24 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): Rick - can I have presenter status?
05/16/2003 10:55:28 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: george, sandeep is next
05/16/2003 10:55:44 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: then you
05/16/2003 10:56:02 AM from Zulfi to All Participants: tests?
05/16/2003 10:56:07 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: I am still getting the Social Networking slide 15 - has this ben changed?
05/16/2003 10:56:11 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: actually, George - we're going to have you go - sorry for the confusion, Rick!
05/16/2003 10:56:32 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): ok
05/16/2003 10:56:33 AM from evano to All Participants: can barely hear ross
05/16/2003 10:56:41 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: very quiet
05/16/2003 10:56:57 AM from evano to All Participants: much better!
05/16/2003 10:57:01 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: cool
05/16/2003 10:57:02 AM from gsiemens to Host and Presenter(privately): yes
05/16/2003 10:58:07 AM from evano to All Participants: PCs were also a bottom-up "revolution"
05/16/2003 10:58:26 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sorry, George, Jay changed the order
05/16/2003 10:58:35 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: no prob
05/16/2003 10:58:42 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: You are now the presenter and can drive the preso
05/16/2003 11:06:57 AM from Rick Huebsch to Presenter(privately): George, can you speak up a bit?
05/16/2003 11:11:31 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: What is RSS?
05/16/2003 11:13:22 AM from evano to All Participants: really simple syndication...
05/16/2003 11:13:23 AM from Rick Huebsch to Presenter(privately): George - running out of time
05/16/2003 11:14:05 AM from evano to All Participants: an xml dialect
05/16/2003 11:14:09 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: RSS is a form of XML used for "resource syndication", i.e. publishing bits of content
05/16/2003 11:14:21 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: thanks
05/16/2003 11:14:49 AM from evano to All Participants: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html
05/16/2003 11:15:00 AM from evano to All Participants: Mark Pilgrim's intro to RSS
05/16/2003 11:15:04 AM from Rick Huebsch to Presenter(privately): George 1 minute
05/16/2003 11:15:10 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: some live notes if you're interested - http://www.participo.com/radio/outlines/e-learning_forum_informal_learning_16thMay2003.html
05/16/2003 11:15:56 AM from Rick Huebsch to Presenter(privately): George - no time for questions
05/16/2003 11:16:28 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: also the eLearning Forums's Community page is being updated throughout the meeting. http://www.elearningforum.com/meetings/2003/may/community.html
05/16/2003 11:16:34 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Sandeep is now the presenter
05/16/2003 11:16:48 AM from Zulfi to All Participants: does he have a presentation?
05/16/2003 11:17:11 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: coming to a theater near you
05/16/2003 11:17:56 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: hang on
05/16/2003 11:18:54 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: can you see his preso?
05/16/2003 11:19:03 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: no
05/16/2003 11:19:05 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: no
05/16/2003 11:19:06 AM from evano to All Participants: no
05/16/2003 11:19:20 AM from Zulfi to All Participants: nope
05/16/2003 11:19:23 AM from evano to All Participants: I can see a green screen and pointer movements
05/16/2003 11:19:49 AM from Zulfi to All Participants: under the heading "Shared Application"
05/16/2003 11:20:06 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jay is doing announcements while Sandeep gets it up
05/16/2003 11:20:18 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: can't hear
05/16/2003 11:20:30 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: Please ask Jay to speak up
05/16/2003 11:21:01 AM from evano to All Participants: matrix is visible now
05/16/2003 11:22:07 AM from Sandeep Sood to All Participants: great - after all of those tests, murphy's law still applies ; >
05/16/2003 11:22:46 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Can you see the preso now?
05/16/2003 11:22:52 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: no
05/16/2003 11:23:08 AM from Joe Pulichino to All Participants: I'm still seeing Open Education
05/16/2003 11:23:16 AM from Jane Farrell to All Participants: under shared application I have a green screen with Chinese characters ??
05/16/2003 11:23:47 AM from Jane Farrell to All Participants: Never mind have presentation now, thanks
05/16/2003 11:25:36 AM from sarath to All Participants: nope
05/16/2003 11:27:22 AM from sarath to All Participants: Ok, now
05/16/2003 11:34:33 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: no one's mentioned groove??
05/16/2003 11:35:14 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: good point Guy
05/16/2003 11:35:32 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: We are breaking into three groups now.
05/16/2003 11:35:35 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: I've used it with students - better results than a regular LMS
05/16/2003 11:35:36 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: hold on
05/16/2003 11:35:44 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: evan and I are going to see what it's like - anyone had success with it??
05/16/2003 11:35:50 AM from Ben Watson to All Participants: Groove has a 28MB+ client download. I don't think you will see it widespread in eLearning.
05/16/2003 11:35:58 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Two groups - one about blogging
05/16/2003 11:36:06 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Ben- true...and it is a bit more complex
05/16/2003 11:36:09 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Another group- about informal approaches
05/16/2003 11:36:21 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: ...but I had a group of 30 students setup on it in one class
05/16/2003 11:36:34 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Why don't we just open the floor in chat here to discuss either
05/16/2003 11:36:41 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: yeah - clients send me bigger powerpoints than 30 mb!! :-)
05/16/2003 11:37:11 AM from evano to All Participants: I think we're experiencing the difference between corporate eLearning & academic eLearning...
05/16/2003 11:37:14 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: Guy - stopped by your site - blogging real time - always cool
05/16/2003 11:37:30 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: first time i've done it...
05/16/2003 11:37:49 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: speeded massively by using an outliner (radio)
05/16/2003 11:37:51 AM from evano to All Participants: 30Mb means nothing on my work computer, but to a dialup user...
05/16/2003 11:38:08 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: outliner works with MT?
05/16/2003 11:38:14 AM from gsiemens to All Participants: ...at least i think you us mt
05/16/2003 11:38:15 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: although regretting not buying a decent phone - I have a handset cranked to head:-)
05/16/2003 11:38:22 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: no - radio...
05/16/2003 11:38:27 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: and active renderer
05/16/2003 11:38:50 AM from Guy Dickinson to All Participants: auto upstreams my outline
05/16/2003 11:39:48 AM from Rick Huebsch to All Participants: Jason is speaking now about blogging
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